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March 24, 2005

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Bill

Great writeup here, Eric. I couldn't agree more. If I wrote about politics on my blog at all, I would have said just about the same thing. I voted for Bush in the fall (and in his first election) and while I don't know if I should have voted for Kerry or should look seriously at Hilary '08 now, I do know that I wish I hadn't voted for Bush. I am a staunch economic and small government conservative (keep the government out of my life type) and always vote Republican, and I am stunned that I have been on the other side of almost every single action that Bush and his cronies have taken since the election. And that shocking revelation has made me feel incredibly out of touch with the current "conservatism" running through the country, especially when I hear people like Hannity and Rush defending the Schiavo federal interference, which just goes against every thing they have said for as long as I can remember and goes against any basic conservative "states rights trump" thought anyone has ever had. The words "maybe the liberals were right" was never in my vocabulary until now, and that's downright scary to me, and should be scary to Bush/DeLay/Karl Rove as well.

Brian

You guys are going on like you are on a steroid-induced mood swing. Six months is a short time in which to be convinced that EVERYTHING YOU KNEW WAS WRONG. It suggests a lack of careful thinking. I don't like everything about Bush, but it's laughable to suggest that he's any different now than he was a year ago. Get a grip.

Trapeze

I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. I'm as much a federalist as the next guy, and I fully support a persons right to choose how they want to die. I even support assisted suicide if that's your choice. But if a judge rules that you should drown your kids in a bathtub, will you follow his orders like a blind mole? My opinion of the Schiavo case is that it needs a full trial. It is possible (not certain, but certainly possible) that there is a massive miscarriage of justice underway and that whis woman is going to die against her wishes, depsite having someone who will look after her. If you're OK with that, then you're the one with the problem.

Matthew Cromer

I'm not sure that believing there is something that just doesn't smell right about Michael Schaivo means you're a religious right nutcase. I support gay marriage but I'm very troubled by killing a brain-damaged woman by starvation against the deepest wishes of her parents.

Yehudit

"It is simply amazing to hear the advocates of the inviolability of the heterosexual civil marital bond deny Terri Schiavo's legal husband the right to decide his wife's fate, when she cannot decide it for herself."

The guy has been living with another woman for years, given her 2 kids, and calls her his fiance. Do you think the "advocates of marriage" don't know that? That "marriage bond" is a mockery in their eyes. For Sullivan and you to completely ignore that is dishonest. I've lost even more respect for him than I already had. Since this is the first really bad judgment I've seen from you, and I know you personally, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

The plain facts of the case: someone is being sentenced to death, who has not committed a crime, who has not even been accused of a crime, solely on hearsay by one party who has a conflict of interest. If this were an inmate on death row, the same uproar, attempts to shine a light on the case, attempts at federal relief, etc. would be happening, except it would be the liberals doing it.

Assuming the best about Michael Schiavo's motives and behavior, he still has a blatant conflict of interest and she should not be executed based on his word. It is only happening because brain-damaged adults are not presumed to be equal under the law.

Eric

I keep on hearing that the guy had a "conflict of interest" but I honestly don't understand what's meant by that. (Beyond that, keep in mind all the crazy claims and counter-claims going on between both sides). Are you talking about the insurance money? I've seen some links purporting to show that he doesn't stand to gain anything because of all the money he's paid to keep her as she is for all this time. I've seen some that purport to show that there is no windfall settlement. Who knows what to believe?

On the marriage thing, the key phrase here is "civil marital bond". You're talking like those religious conservatives who don't understand (or want to erase) the distinction between a civil marriage and a marriage in the relgious sense, or in any other deeper sense (like emotional or romantic). In the gay civil marriage debate, we were told again and again and again (and again) that the insitution of heterosexual civil marriage was sacrosanct and that to allow any other group to join it would change it too much, especially if the other group wouldn't have children, was allegedly unfaithful etc. The fact that straight married couples were unfaithful, non-procreative, made a mockery of the instituion, etc. every day didn't matter. These things only mattered as arguments to stopping gay people form joining the institution. What I concluded from this was that there is no aspect of any straight person's marriage which can be criticized or questioned. It doesn't matter that the marriage between Michael and Terri Sciavo was (to say the least) unconventional. They still had an inviolate, sacrosanct civil marriage, and all the legal incidents thereof. If allowing gay people to join the institution would somehow undermine their marriage, why wouldn't allowing the federal government to intervene in their most basic, intimate legal decisions? Decisions which under Florida law were reserved for the spouse?


You still can't drop the hysterical, histrionic tone on this for some reason. No one was "sentenced to death". No one was "executed". As William F. Buckley said, it's more precise to say that the debate was over whether someone's life (or as some would have it "life")should be prolonged even further in the same condition, not whether some random person gathered off the street should be killed.

At any rate, the Supreme Court has now reviewed the case and refused to grant cert. So, I don't know how anyone could possibly say that there was no due process.

I'm just amazed at your self-confidence in thinking that you have some special knowledge of "the plain facts" here.

BobS

As a libertarian, I would like to ask why do you
think the Bush/Delay conservatism is some sort of aberration? When in the history of the Republican party has it ever belived in federalism, capitalism and small government? For
most of its history the Republican party seems
to have behaved as a traditional conservative
institution i.e. - a corporate socialist/theocratic big-government advocate.
The contradiction is not those in power now,
but you, the "american conservative" - small
government, federalism and capitalism advocates
who until 1900 were northern Democrats when
they were finally purged by William Jennings Bryan and the Progressives. They had no choice
but to join the Republican party where they
were no more welcome than the Democratic party.
But advocates of less geovernment are always
welcome in the party out of power.

So, I would like to suggest that those advocates
of small government, federalism, and capitalism who call themselves "conservatives" are entirely
confused as to who they are and what true conservatism aactually is and would be far better off redefing themselves as they truly are-
libertarians.

BobS

john marzan

I wish i voted for Kerry instead. and thank god for andrew sullivan. i thought he'd already given up on the blogging thing. nice to see him tell the unvarnished truth about Bushco again.

deb

"I keep on hearing that the guy had a "conflict of interest" but I honestly don't understand what's meant by that. (Beyond that, keep in mind all the crazy claims and counter-claims going on between both sides). Are you talking about the insurance money? I've seen some links purporting to show that he doesn't stand to gain anything because of all the money he's paid to keep her as she is for all this time. I've seen some that purport to show that there is no windfall settlement. Who knows what to believe?"

The conflict of interest is the fact that he is openly living with another woman and has fathered 2 children by her, he has also been calling her his fiance.... You know, gee, what should I do?

As to the money, most of it is gone, it was spent on the lawyers petitioning the court to kill her. Isn't that cruel, the money that was meant to provide for your welfare and therapy is being used to kill you....

Legally he is still her husband because they were never divorced, but just keep in mind..if you are estranged from your spouse but not divorced - that person legally can pull the plug on you. Is this a good idea? They may hate your guts but remember that life insurance policy that you have....hmmmm

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